Gear Selection

Discussion in 'Engine, Gearbox, Exhaust and Air Intake' started by BrooksMCR, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. BrooksMCR

    BrooksMCR Gold Member

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    Car:
    Clio 197
    Hi Folks,

    Another strange one.

    When stationary, I let the car warm a little and then go to select a gear - unable to as though the clutch is still engaged. The gear selection is fine when the car is switched off and is also fine when I am in motion.

    The strangest thing is, it only seems to be difficult to select the gear on occasion. Some times I can jump in the car and it is as smooth as butter, others it doesn't want to play ball at all.

    Any ideas?

    Cheers,
    DB.
     

  2. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    Renault Clio RS200 CUP
    Clutch... and associated bits, that’s what enables gear selection, try pumping the pedal 4 or 5 times then trying
     
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  3. Pav

    Pav Moderator

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    Location:
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    Car:
    albi blue 197 with boost
    Try bleeding you slave..
     
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  4. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    That’s what I was gonna suggest if pumping the pedal sorted it :wink:
     
  5. JMR

    JMR Paid Member

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    Location:
    Notts/Lincs
    Car:
    Porsche + LY200
    I asked the Renault techie to bleed the clutch and he said they don't like to do it, because if the clutch goes to the floor it ends up being a 'drop the gearbox' job to put it right.

    I haven't got a clue really, but if they said they weren't happy to do it I thought it good enough reason not to instruct them to do it anyway.

    The master tech told me whatever you do to try and resolve the difficult to engage 1st gear when cold, it will still come back.
    The car just needs to warm up for 5 mins or so, then everything is smooth as butter.

    I've replaced gear oil, and had the linkages greased and it made no difference to gear selection when cold.
    Either in winter or summer.
     
  6. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    Bleeding it with a pressure bleeder shouldn’t cause any issue with the clutch falling to the floor as the master cylinder doesn’t need to move, find an Indy with a pressure bleeder and it may solve your issues or it may need a new slave cylinder, but what do you have to lose?
     
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  7. Ruben203

    Ruben203 Paid Member

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    Location:
    Asturias
    Car:
    Clio III RS 200
    I come back with the same problem, what I do is start the car with the 1st gear and the clutch activated. the car drives perfectly from there
     
  8. Foxspeed

    Foxspeed "the new red baron" Moderator

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    ford mustang shadow gt v8
    i have been lucky enough to try ruk clio cup car (the green one) & that cars gearchange from cold is superb
     
  9. JMR

    JMR Paid Member

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    Location:
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    Car:
    Porsche + LY200
    Lucky boy :thumb:

    Whats your thoughts on the stiff 1st from cold Foxspeed ?
    Any solution other than bleeding /replacing the slave cylinder
     
  10. Foxspeed

    Foxspeed "the new red baron" Moderator

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    as already advised is 1. bleed clutch 2. use the "improved" gearbox oil - if that sort of "fails" to sort it them i would be looking at new clutch
     
  11. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    Gear Oil won’t do what he says IMO, as it is fine when not running, 100% clutch...
     
  12. Foxspeed

    Foxspeed "the new red baron" Moderator

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    i usually go for the easiest/cheapest option first to see if there is an improvement
     
  13. JMR

    JMR Paid Member

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    Location:
    Notts/Lincs
    Car:
    Porsche + LY200
    I’ve had the gearbox oil changed at Xmas.
    Only stiff to get in gear when cold for a few mins.
    I can live with it tbh. But a proper fix would be nice
     
  14. BrooksMCR

    BrooksMCR Gold Member

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    Car:
    Clio 197
    So, I went with the cheaper option first and had the clutch pressure bled.

    There was quite a bit of air released from the system and it has definitely made an improvement; however, it still occurs intermittently. I think I will take it back in to be fully pressure bled and run some new fluid through to ensure all air is released and then I can be certain.

    Cheers for all of the input folks and I shall update after it has been bled the 2nd time.
     
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  15. Pav

    Pav Moderator

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    Location:
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    Car:
    albi blue 197 with boost
    Fingers crossed...
     
  16. Dumdum

    Dumdum Gold Member

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    Car:
    Renault Clio RS200 CUP
    Pressure bleeding sometimes cures it, and if air came out you may well be lucky, god knows how it gets in, but fingers crossed for ya bud :smile:
     

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